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Adobe's Flash sucks...

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2015-09-14 14:01 I wrote my own.

Executable size:

Adobe: 2.33 MB
Mine: 20 KB

Sample output:


It's not all done yet, but I don't expect it to grow much bigger. I wasn't even trying to optimise it although it turned out much smaller than I expected.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-14 14:15

where's the sauce cudder
you said there would be sauce

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-14 14:29

well done
too bad, it is not real, considering that Ms. Cudder is all word and action none.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-14 15:01

maybe it's just gnash. clusterfuck of C++

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-14 17:52

Not sure if it sucks more than RabiesMQ

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-14 20:50


Name: Anonymous 2015-09-14 20:51

It looks like... anime. Ew!

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 0:37

Where's the source code?
What flash file were you viewing?
Why does yours look so different?

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 1:01

That's, er-, not to bad. In fact, it's actually interesting. Though to be honest, Flash is dying pretty quickly, and I'm not sure that it's even a good idea to come up with a unable version that doesn't eat hundreds of megabytes, since it might just encourage it's continued use.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 1:25

Neko Miko Reimu

There is no source code. You have been rused.
It can still do lots of things that JS and HTML5 can't.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 1:47

Touhou is not anime.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 2:15

Testing Cudder's Flash with Okuu!

Name: Christ Our Lord 2015-09-15 2:41

what ever happened to craplets (java applets) couldn't you play movies through them somehow, even more powerful than flash. Or am I crappily mistaken.

Name: Prophet Teh Internets 2015-09-15 2:44

why not just bypass java applets and flash and html 5 altogether, and make a p2p internet application that doesn't use any html/xml crap. Imagine downloading pdf files off other people's computers and reading them right in your p2p client which is the new browser of the 2060's. They talk about the 60's but which 60's they speak of.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 3:07

Do you have any intentions to make a Cudder OS?

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2015-09-15 8:55

No source (yet). It's not done, that's why it looks different - I haven't implemented things like clipping and fonts.

I don't want Flash to die because SWF is such a nice file format compared to the land of HTML5 bloat; it's Adobe's implementation of it that is horrible.

One frame was enough to identify it? I feel like I'm in /jp/...

If you mean the Anonix kernel, that went dormant early in the design stage, before a single line of code was written.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 13:06

Yes, it is you stupid autist.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 13:43

I feel like I'm in /jp/
You are on the text version of /jp/.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 15:42

One frame was enough to identify it? I feel like I'm in /jp/...
I'm a big Touhou fan. But I do my best to distance myself from /jp/.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 16:02

Who are you quoting?

Whom are you quoting?

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 16:30

Who are you quoting?

You mean ``whom''?

Whom are you quoting?

You mean ``who''?

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 16:51


Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 18:50

>le pedophile dubs

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 19:32

Why does yours look better than the original?

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 21:54

They're both quoting >>16. Are you retarded?

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 22:20

Cudder is all talk and no action

Name: 26 2015-09-15 22:21

Why didn't I check the "Don't bump" box?

Name: 26,27,28 2015-09-15 22:22

Because this was already the first thread on the board!
It wouldn't change a thing. That's the first point.
Secondly, sage is humbleness and I'm not a humble little bitch.
Show some respect.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 22:38

Why? Do you prefer the Shrinemaiden, Reddit, and Tumblr communities?

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 22:43

le 4chan is le best!!! fuck da reddit and tumblr, we're the bestz!!!! anonymous lulz! xD

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-15 23:24

The best community for Touhou fans on the Internet is progrider. This is a proven fact.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-16 3:58

4chan is better than Reddit and Tumblr though.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-16 17:25

check em

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-16 17:57

4chan is Reddit without usernames, and has been for over seven years.

Name: Unknown 2015-09-16 20:09


Reddit contains more intelligent comments from people willing to post with a user name, not hiding behind a pure anon. If anon is so great why don't people on mailing lists enforce anon names, i.e. when you see Linus Torvalds posting, does he use anon? nope he stands by his name. Anon boards like this end up being flooded with idiot posts about "anus" related things since they can hide behind their anon.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-16 20:33

If Reddit is so great, why don't you stay there?

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-16 21:55

Good. Now implement cross platform support, implement all the video codecs, all the audio codecs, Internet streaming, DRM and Shockwave 2D and Shockwave 3D support.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-16 22:13

oh fuck....

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-17 0:19

No. I don't go to any of those communities either. /jp/ is more cancerous than all of them combined. 4chan in my eyes is a cancer containment center just like all the communities you mentioned. Too bad it likes to spill so much.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-17 4:10

just learn japanese and go to japanese communities and mock them for being so fucking stupid and nutty and to never forget nanjing and fuck their non-existent kami

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-17 6:14


some people come to progrider for a few days and then leave, just checking it out. Some people have been here for less than 5 days and then make a decision to leave pretty quickly but still giving it a chance, as one in 1000 comments are intelligent and maybe the sample was bad - maybe one just landed on the site when "anus this" and "anus that" was popular for a day or two. Some people stay here for 10 days then leave. Others 4 hours and leave. Depends. But have to give it a chance and ignore a lot of stupid comments.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-17 7:47

Did you arrive four hours ago? `Hax my anus' and anus memeing has being going on since, like, 2007. And if that's all it takes to get normies to leave, then we should double- nay, triple!- our anus haxxing.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-17 9:13

please stop using these words

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-17 22:51


Name: Anonymous 2015-09-18 0:44


Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2015-09-18 13:24

Is this a new meme or is it just someone taking the mickey...?

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-18 21:20

I don't want Flash to die because SWF is such a nice file format compared to the land of HTML5 bloat; it's Adobe's implementation of it that is horrible.
Well, I'm afraid that your Flash isn't going to help that. They are killing it by making the desktop implementation shitty, obsoleting the tools to create it, and keeping mobile implementations non-existent. So you'd better know ARM assembly too at the least if you want to save it.

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-18 21:58

Don't mind him, he's a retard trying to force it.

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2015-09-19 14:47

ARM is boringly easy, except for stupid shit like this:

Name: Anonymous 2015-09-20 4:27

Good. Now make sure your Flash interpreter properly supports the different ARM variants, Shockwave 2D and 3D, and also it should have full video/audio codec support that Adoble Flash has.

Oh, you'll never support these things for your interpreter? Then you cannot call your program a Flash compliant.

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2017-10-14 5:05

A surprising message I received, from someone who shall remain Anonymous, prompted me to revive and post it:


Here is interesting thing. I can discuss now because it is no longer proprietary
trade-secret. SWF's "FillStyle0" and "FillStyle1". Official spec mentions they
are related to path's direction and "left" and "right" fill styles. You read it,
and think yourself: "Is this so really complicated? What if path direction the
other way? How can left-right apply, what do official player happens if break
this silly rules?"

So I test it, try to discover the truth.

What do you think? Hard and complex? No! It is so simple! The spec is all full
bullshit!! Algorithm is just like this:

Look each fillstyle, in order. 1-n (ignore 0, no fill) Find all path segments
use that fill, FS0 or FS1 (FS0==FS1 ignore). Scan left-right, fill odd-even:
turn on fill when cross first path segment, turn off when cross again, on, off
repeat until cross all the segments. If path open ended, fill spills out right
edge, continuous.

After all fill, then it write all stroke. Nothing surprise there.

So many people on Internet, no one THINK or TRY IT, everyone just repeat same
bullshit? Because Adobe say it is true! But it is not, we figure out and make
our product perfect conversion from SWF, everyone else could not.


I discovered the same things... and also kept quiet about it. Now that the market for SWF processing has shifted almost completely to conversion and preservation, stuff like this can be publicised more.

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-14 6:22

Off-topic, but I wanted to say, Happy World Standards Day, Cudder!

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-08 16:59

Where is the source CDR?

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-08 17:04

What is the frequency, Kenneth?

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-08 17:04

What is the frequency, Kenneth?

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-08 17:06

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-09 0:12

I was under the impression that this thread was about a swf implementation.

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-09 1:10

Any updates on Shumway?

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-09 7:08

It's not all done yet

you don't say?

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-09 7:13

Cudder is all talk and no action!

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-09 22:01

see >>56

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-10 1:18

no action!

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-10 22:49

Where are the updates?

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-11 1:34

Cudder is all talk and no action!

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-11 2:15

I too am curious to see what the flash looks like now, cudder.
Keep up the good work.

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-11 9:53

>good work
chose one

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-11 10:11

Miss me with that negative energy, cudder is a good boy, he walked my dog once.

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-11 14:08

You can't even properly use the quote function and yet you criticize one of the few people that actually do something remotely related to programming on this board. Hand me your /prog/ card.

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-11 20:50

Cudder won't reward you with sex.

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-12 7:19

quote is a special form, not a function. Please read your SICP otherwise you will keep spreading misinformation, thanks.

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-12 12:54

Gnash+Lightspark actually works pretty well. It isn't useful if you're using the kind of swf's that take advantage of some specially functionality of Flash, but, much like with Wine and video games, Gnash+Lightspark pretty much has all the tools necessary to deal with animations and simple games. Plus, there's a standalone client. Granted, there's Projector, but the binary Adobe distributes doesn't play well with Pulse.

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-12 22:30

I prefer Shumway.

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-13 12:43

Cudder is all talk and no action!

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-14 15:38

That's actually the proper use of the quote function. I've seen this use in email for as long as I remember.

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-14 17:09

That's actually the proper use of the quote function.
On Usenet and email, not here, though.

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-15 0:59

youve been rekt shut up

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-15 1:41

False, you are supposed to leave a space after the >

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